Intro: 00:00
The sense of community that we get to cultivate through acro has been incredible. And once you cultivate physical contact with a person or group of people through the modality of acro, that opens up doors for friendships and other kinds of friendship types of intimacy, which has been incredibly like soul level nourishing for me, and very, very healing.

Rating: 00:32
Hey, you, thanks for tuning in. Just a quick heads up. This episode is rated PG 13. So expect to hear some mild language or adult concepts.

Rebecca Beltran: 00:52
Well, hi, Natasha, I would like to welcome you to Pleasure Central Radio.

Natasha Hawthorn 00:56
Hi, Rebecca. It's great to be here.

Rebecca Beltran: 01:00
You know, we've known each other for a few years, and we've talked about doing an episode like this for a while. Yeah, it's finally happening. Yay. And part of the reason that I brought this up now is I've been seeing on your Facebook posts, you have a lot of acro yoga videos, and a lot of little pieces and snippets of communication and of connection and that like, physical interaction that you get a lot during acro yoga, and I've done a little bit of acro yoga, and I like sharing how unique and special it can be and how powerful it can be to learn communication. So I wanted to bring him on the show, and have you here and see if we could talk a little bit.

Natasha Hawthorn 01:37
Fantastic. I was super excited when you asked me to talk about acro. It's one of my biggest passions in life. One of my favorite things to talk about.

Rebecca Beltran: 01:44
Now, how did you discover acro?

Natasha Hawthorn 01:47
Yeah, great question. Flying Trapeze was actually my I call it my gateway drug into all things circus, I got a group on and I went to a flying trapeze class. And then I got another group on and I went to a pole dance class. And that opened up my world to everything that's connected to the circus arts and then acro entered my life through a studio where I was training at the time. And I've never looked back

Rebecca Beltran: 02:13
That sounds so much fun. What is it about acro in particular out of all of this surface art circuit out of all of the circus arts that really inspires you.

Natasha Hawthorn 02:24
And it's got to be the connection with other humans. It's a collaborative art. And there's very much a physical training component, which I am a big, big fan of. But the fact that I get to do it with another human through, you know, this tactile experience is what is so enriching for me. And there's definitely room for collaboration and creating something together with another individual. And that is just, it just kind of hits all of my checkboxes for everything that I enjoy in life.

Rebecca Beltran: 02:57
That's awesome. I love hearing people talk about partnership things, because on one hand is a huge challenge. For me, I really prefer to do things on my own and to be responsible for things by myself. But learning to connect with other people and create something new that I can't make, on my own has been fantastic and hard and fun. And a good growth edge.

Natasha Hawthorn 03:21
Yes, it is definitely one of my favorite ways to create I do other circus arts as well that are individual that I do, you know, on my own, like soaks and pull dance and various other things. But acro definitely has a special kind of draw for me, because of the collaborative aspect of with another person or multiple people. That's honestly like, even better. We do group acro sometimes and it's so exciting and so enriching.

Rebecca Beltran: 03:51
So I have a question for you. I know for me, I had a formative acro experience that made it so enjoyable to work with other people, especially people that I didn't know. And then I have experienced other places where it's like, oh, this is really not that much fun. I don't think I want to hang out here. What has been the difference for you in your formative acro? circusy arts explorations?

Natasha Hawthorn 04:21
Well, my formative experiences were definitely positive also, which is what kept me coming back. I have had awkward experiences where you know, I was feeling much of the same like what you're saying, this environment just doesn't feel energetically like it's a good match for me or it doesn't feel safe or something like that. And I simply just exit it's not, you know, a judgment. There's no hard feelings. It's no big deal. I just simply exit and go somewhere else. And most of the time though, the awkward community is incredibly welcoming, supportive. We literally support each other It's very collaborative. And there's a great sense of communication of boundaries and creating a feeling of safety.

Rebecca Beltran: 05:08
So you mentioned that sometimes it's a good environment that matches where you want to be. And sometimes it's not. How can you tell when it's a good match for where you are at the time?

Natasha Hawthorn 05:20
I just feel it energetically How Does anyone ever tell when something is a good match for them, you just, you know, energetically like, your body will open up, you have a smile on your face, and it just, it feels like a notch. And it's something you want to keep going with. So yeah, it's just it's not really rocket science. I just, I trust my intuition. And I follow that.

Rebecca Beltran: 05:41
Nice. I hear I was hoping for something practical like, well, when people are using words like these, it means they're not paying attention to each other or something. And here, you're just like, No, just pay attention to your gut and your body. And when it feels like it's right, it feels like it's right,

Natasha Hawthorn 05:55
I do I do pay attention to my gut and my body. Words are also an important part of communication, obviously. So you know, if I'm in a group of acrobats and people are saying words that I just, again, energetically don't align with, I will just kind of make my exit. So yeah, it's kind of the same thing there, too.

Rebecca Beltran: 06:18
So how would you describe someone that does feel like it's a good fit for you just so I can get an idea of what it's like?

Natasha Hawthorn 06:26
Yeah, so what it might look like is it looks like a flow, where movements are easy, I feel safe, like I'm not going to get injured or dropped. There's support and the transitions flow, the actual like poses that we're trying to do just, they just got to make sense. And they're easy to execute. They're not always easy to do. There's practice involved. Obviously, there's calibration every time you work with another individual. But even the calibration can intuitively feel whether it's going in the right direction or not. So it just it looks like a flow.

Rebecca Beltran: 07:09
I like that. I'm imagining a group of people doing acro on the lawn somewhere, connecting with the partners and the fires and bases that feel right for them. And I'm also thinking, that must be a really fun thing to stumble on in the park. People playing together

Natasha Hawthorn 07:27
100% That is literally what we do when the weather's nice. And I literally had an experience like this recently where I was in a new town in Kelowna, Canada. And we're just going for a walk with, you know, my, my family and you know, family who lives there and Kelowna. We're walking through the park, and I look over and there's a group of acrobats and I just like and go straight for this group of people and like, hi, guys. I'm an acrobat to me, I join. So yes, it literally looks like that. And people do always stop and look and enjoy what they're seeing. And that is also part of the draw for me not gonna lie.

Rebecca Beltran: 08:13
Awesome. Yeah, have a little bit of entertainment for people out in their day.

Natasha Hawthorn 08:17
Yeah, I do enjoy performing. That's been part of my, you know, aerial arts and circus journey as well. It does bring me joy, because I watch other people enjoying what I'm doing. And when I go to, you know, shows and performances and things like that, and just like completely lit up with joy and excitement for what I'm watching. So it does make me want to be on the other side of that being the one on stage, putting on a show for people to enjoy.

Rebecca Beltran: 08:52
Oh, that's awesome. I'm glad you phrase it that way. I had the opportunity this week to go and see the Empire strips back. Nice, which was such a fun show. The costumes was great. The music was great. But the thing that was my favorite was the sport and the acrobatic of most of the dancers. It was really fun. really empowering. And I know what you mean. It's just fascinating to watch someone who's so happy. Yes, sections. Everybody picks it up.

Natasha Hawthorn 09:22
Yes, that's it. That's exactly it. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, I didn't get a chance to go see that show. I was out of town, but I know people in it.

Rebecca Beltran: 09:33
Nice. So tell me a little bit about what you've learned about communication, verbal and nonverbal communication through your academic journey.

Natasha Hawthorn 09:44
Oh, great question. I love this question. And thank you for asking. So one of the kind of most important things that I've learned through acro and communication that is a required part of acro is boundaries. Oh,

Rebecca Beltran: 10:01
I can't believe I overlooked that. Okay, tell me everything.

Natasha Hawthorn 10:04
Yeah, um, it's something I've definitely struggled with in my adult life. In acro, if you don't set boundaries, if you don't communicate your boundaries, there's a chance you'll get injured. Or have an experience that might inadvertently perhaps cross your boundaries if you don't communicate them. Because you are in close proximity. I mean, somewhat, I suppose intimate contact with other people. And many times, they're strangers, like literally, you know, I will, like I mentioned, just, you know, join that group of acrobats in Kelowna and Canada, they're all strangers to me. So if we don't have clear communication, and if I'm not communicating my boundaries, they might cross my boundaries without even knowing it. So you know, both people involved in doing AQa or however many people are in the group doing a group acro are responsible for communicating their boundaries, and communicating their, you know, skill level, what they're comfortable with what you know, tricks and poses and flows and things like that. They are comfortable with doing what they're not comfortable with doing. And when I first started, my instinct was like, Yes, I want to do all the things. Even if they feel kind of unsafe or risky. For me, even if I have an injury or something like that, I just kind of want to push through it and do all the things. And I have learned pretty quickly that that is not helpful, really to anyone. And you know, I have ended up with injuries sometimes in there are certain people that I just know from experience are not a good match for me to work with. And there are other people that I prefer to work with, where we have like a clear understanding of each other's skill level and where we need to compensate and things like that. But all of that doesn't happen without communications. So yes, communicating boundaries is key.

Rebecca Beltran: 12:11
That is really cool. How like, I guess it kind of comes up organically a lot. And you have to speak up and say, I'm new, or I don't know what I'm doing 100%. But what other kinds of important boundary communications do you need to know for this?

Natasha Hawthorn 12:26
Well, for example, if you have an injury or something like that, that's kind of a you know, an obvious one where you can say like, right now I am nursing a shoulder injury. So when I start an acro practice, especially with someone and that is new to me, or that I haven't seen in a while, I will certainly mention that I have a shoulder injury, and I will let you know what does and doesn't feel safe for me what you know, my limits are currently physically and things like that. And there's an immediate kind of acceptance of that and respect that is created by communicating that boundary.

Rebecca Beltran: 13:01
Yeah, there's a lot of magic and opening up that communication line.

Natasha Hawthorn 13:06
100%. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes people will ask, especially that the base is so an actor, there's a base and a flyer, typically. That's kind of the standard form format. And often the base will ask the flyer, first, do you have any injuries? Are you working with any limitations and things like that, and that's, that comes with practice to not every base will do that. And your bases, just haven't had the experience to learn to know to do that. But I will often get asked if I'm working with someone new, what skills are you comfortable with? What type of accurate do you prefer to do? Do you have any injuries? You have any other kind of concerns? And we sort of just kind of set that up upfront? Very cool. Got a lot of respect for that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, respect is huge in the hacker community. And if you are not respectful, you will get pushed out. It's just kind of, and that happens organically too. Because simply people will not want to work with you if you're not a respectful person.

Rebecca Beltran: 14:17
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's the same in the dance community.

Natasha Hawthorn 14:21
I'm sure it is.

Rebecca Beltran: 14:22
You get a reputation. And then people are just like, No, thank you.

Natasha Hawthorn 14:25
Exactly. And that's what I'm saying. That doesn't need to be judgment. There doesn't need to be hard feelings. It's just a no thank you. And that is boundary communication. Right. They're

Rebecca Beltran: 14:35
very clear and useful. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Well, that's cool. So when I was doing and starting to learn acro a bit, what came up for me a lot, especially with the people that I was practicing, practicing with was blame and that kind of thing where, you know, you don't know how to communicate very quickly or very accurately and so you step back into the natural habits that You learn, but just like why are you Where? Where you need to be? Right? And that's not fun and helpful.

Natasha Hawthorn 15:06
Are you talking about blame, like, internal blame for yourself or like actually verbally communicated kind of,

Rebecca Beltran: 15:12
like verbally communicated? Kind of blame? Okay, well,

Natasha Hawthorn 15:15
I'm sorry, you had that experience, Rebecca, and

Rebecca Beltran: 15:18
it was very eye opening about the future of that relationship. So yes, thank you. Gotcha.

Natasha Hawthorn 15:22
That is unfortunate. I hope that was sort of unique to that individual. That has not really been my experience. The literally, I've been practicing Accra for about 10 years. And I can think of maybe like two people that I've ever like crossed paths, dots with who had that kind of like blaming energy, and I stopped working with them. Yeah, and in all the rest of my accurate experience, I have not encountered those kinds of people. So it's unfortunate, and I can see how that can happen. Sometimes. The vast, vast majority of my experiences have been, okay, so let's say for example, like a certain skill or a trick didn't work. Let's brainstorm together, what didn't work? What can I do differently or better? I prefer differently, not better, because we're all improving and constantly evolving. It's like, what can I do differently to create this thing that we want to create? That's more of my experience? And it's almost entirely my experience lately with acro.

Rebecca Beltran: 16:32
Yeah. And that makes sense to me, especially what you were saying about people that aren't very clear in their communication, they do get pushed out. And that's what I found that even in these classes that I was going to the few people that were not very thoughtful and elegant in the way they communicated. That didn't last very long. And they got their own little corner over there where they were frustrating each other. Everyone else was like, No, thanks.

Natasha Hawthorn 16:58
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So this is why the majority, the vast majority of the awkward community is actually very welcoming, warm, accepting, and supportive.

Rebecca Beltran: 17:10
I feel like that on one hand, I wanted Accra to be a place where people could learn where those partners especially could learn a new way of communication. But I found that that was counterproductive because they weren't ready for it. And they had so many patterns of this isn't right, but it's because of you that were just come out. And it was impossible to work with. So what kind of, I don't know, basic communications do you think is important for people to have, if they really want to get into this and develop some new creative art with somebody else?

Natasha Hawthorn 17:46
I would say basic communication skills would be number one, clarity not being like vague or not very clear. And also, ownership, for sure. It's kind of like what you're saying, instead of blaming and projecting what's not going well on to other people that you're working with. It's there has to be a sense of ownership and understanding that this is a collaborative creation, that nothing in a partnership can ever be all someone else's fault. It is always co created. So if there's lack of that understanding of the fact that is a co creation. And I would imagine those are the people that kind of carry themselves through the rest of their lives like that, because how you do one thing is how you do everything. If you don't embody like a sense of ownership and responsibility for your own actions and words in the rest of your life. It will translate to your actual experience, and then it will come out as that kind of like projecting and blaming, you know, kind of rhetoric that you're saying that, you know, has does happen sometimes. So, for communication, I would say, I guess, kind of like with everything, do your own work on yourself and then bring your best self to acro. And you're going to have a fantastic time guaranteed. Guaranteed.

Rebecca Beltran: 19:22
It's funny how often that's the answer, right? How you do one

Natasha Hawthorn 19:25
thing is how you do everything and work on yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Rebecca Beltran: 19:29
How you show up is what makes the difference. Yeah. 100% So Natasha, you know, I'm a big fan of community and having solid community around us to help us support and grow. What kind of difference has Acrow made in your life and in your communities?

Natasha Hawthorn 19:47
Definitely acro has helped me to integrate into a community where I just I had no idea how diverse it would be and how Oh, accepting it would be of all kinds of people, there's literally people of all shapes, sizes, abilities, colors, like you name it, and the diversity is kind of endless. And the sense of community that we get to cultivate through acro has been incredible. There's a by kind of necessity of like the nature of this art, there's physical contact that is involved. And once you have cultivate physical contact with a person or group of people through the modality of acro, that opens up doors for friendships and other kinds of intimacy. And I'm not talking about sexuality, that does happen in the community, of course, to that people become partners and things like that. What I'm talking about is friendship type of intimacy, which has been incredibly like Soul level nourishing for me, and very, very healing. I'm definitely a touch oriented person like touches my number one love language. One of the reasons you and I get each other Yes, definitely.

Rebecca Beltran: 21:15
Yeah.

Natasha Hawthorn 21:17
So I love having physical contact with people, but it doesn't always feel safe. Through our Crow, we have, you know, various like events and kind of festivals and training camps and things like that, where you train with people all day. And then at the end of the day, we would do like cuddle puddles, or, you know, like, just sit in a pile of people and talk about the day or watch a movie or something like that, or do like a massage train, or like group kind of acro experiences and having that initial contact and those boundaries established, then a sense of safety created, opens up doors for that. And that kind of like sense of building a community where physical touch is not feared. It's there's no, you know, there's nothing taboo about it. We're all open and feel completely safe, and, you know, kind of embrace than this giant cuddle puddle. I've been in cuddle puddles that were probably like 100 people. Wow. Yeah. It's an incredibly connecting experience. It like reminds you that we are all kind of wine. And like that sense of like, inclusion is just priceless, priceless. And I have created some wonderful, incredible friendships through this community that, you know, have kind of cultivated other opportunities for me, too. It's like building a network where, you know, anytime you build the network, you might discover new opportunities that you wouldn't otherwise have.

Rebecca Beltran: 23:04
Yeah, yeah. The beauty of supporting

Natasha Hawthorn 23:07
Exactly. And I love that, like an acro, I can say that, like, metaphorically, we support each other. And like, emotionally, we support each other. And literally, physically, we support each other. And I just love that.

Rebecca Beltran: 23:20
That's amazing. And it sounds like you have a pretty big group of people. I'm sure some of them are much closer. And some of them are, you know, acquaintances, of course. But how natural does that development of the connection in your Accra communities feel to you?

Natasha Hawthorn 23:38
Incredibly natural? Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Like once you establish a physical touch connection with someone, then it's just a matter of letting the energy speak for itself with some people as well with all people in my acro community, I am strictly friends only. And with some people, I have a very sort of like, comfortable level of closeness and intimacy where you know, we will do some kind of acro flow and for example, recorded and then we sit and watch it and sort of studied, but we will sit and like hug each other, or I'll sit in their lap and because like I'm cold maybe like literally this happened last night at the park. We're doing acro and it got chilly. So as we're reviewing our video, I'm sitting in my bases like lap and you know, is just kind of protecting me from wind. So I feel a little warmer. So but some people it does just feel very natural and intuitive and very safe. And you know, obviously I don't share that sort of level of closeness with everyone. It is like you're saying it's kind of like I have a small circle of people that I have that comfort level with and then it just kind of grows bigger and bigger and the farther people are away from my son turf circle, the less I do those things with them. But again, it's not a judgement is just, you know, an energetic alignment or less of an energetic alignment, then it happens naturally. And intuitively.

Rebecca Beltran: 25:12
I love that. And I love that you mentioned that it's it's not intended to go any particular place, it's, you know, it's touched that is within a certain boundary.

Natasha Hawthorn 25:25
Yeah. And like I said, you know, the progression of, you know, relationships in the hacker community happens, of course, we're all human. And, you know, people go there. For me personally, that's never been. That's not why I look to this community. And also just, you know, haven't literally ever met someone that I wanted to partner with, in any way beyond intimate friendship. So for me, that's not the purpose of going to acro. So yeah, I can't speak for others, of course.

Rebecca Beltran: 26:05
It just need to have the idea that you can have physical contact and sit in someone's lap and be really connected and not have a partner go. Oh, my God, you're cheating on me.

Natasha Hawthorn 26:15
Yes. That's that. Exactly. Yes.

Rebecca Beltran: 26:19
That or to have anyone else standing around going, Oh, my God, she's cheating on him. Right? Yeah. It's just it's accepted? Yes, yes.

Natasha Hawthorn 26:28
And whoever strangers are walking by thinking I'm cheating on someone.

Rebecca Beltran: 26:32
I don't give a shit. Yeah, I just don't. There you go. Fantastic. Well, I know that you were mentioning a little bit about a acro yoga documentary or something like that. Do you want to tell me a little bit more,

Natasha Hawthorn 26:43
there are incredibly, like I said, diverse and talented people in the acro community. And a couple of my acro friends decided to start a documentary. One of them has, you know, a fascinating story that he was born with eye condition that basically rendered him legally blind. And he mainly, well, one of the ways he communicates is through touch. And so that documentary is sort of centers around his story, as my understanding it is still in very early stages. But I find it I'm completely supportive of this project. And I think it is so fascinating that they are doing this project and bringing awareness of what acro can do to the world. And what in explaining what it actually is. Because a lot of times, you know, I'll say people, I do acro, and they're like what's acro? So it'd be great to have a resource that like a documentary to point them to like, hey, you know what, watch that. I don't know if you know, there's a documentary about pole dance. Really, there is a skull stripped down, rise up. Awesome. Yes. So and that's, you know, that's, I watched it a while ago. And that's partly why I'm so excited about the sacral documentary. And it's just another way to show people that you know, in terms of like pole dance, for example, it's not just limited to the strippers, the strip clubs, there's so much more to that. And I'm, like, super excited that I'm part of that world too. And it's going to be the same thing with acro, to help people a resource to have a resource to point people to, so they can watch for themselves, what we actually do, what the community means to people on what level of you know, sort of communication is required, and how you can cultivate your, like physical fitness and channel your creativity into all of this. Super excited about this. So the project is, I believe it's currently titled touching the sky. And they're in their early stages. There's apparently phase three, I just went to the fundraiser for funding this project. There are three phases, they're in phase one, and they need to raise funds to finish phase one before they can move on to production and all the rest of the post production, stuff that happens that I have no idea how all of that works. But there are some people who are in our community who are genius, and they do know how to do all this stuff. Right now. All I know is that the project is being worked on. They're going to film stories from all over the world, although it is based in Seattle. But they do have, you know, acrobats and their stories from all over the world. And they need to raise funds to finish phase one. And yeah, so if anyone is interested in supporting the project, you can find it. You can look up touching the sky, the Accra documentary, you can follow it on Instagram at the Accra Dark projects. And yeah, you can learn all the information about that there and find, you know, the link to supported. Yeah, so I would, I'm really hoping that I'm going to rephrase that I have all the confidence in the world that we're going to raise the funds to make this documentary come to fruition because the

Rebecca Beltran: 30:22
world needs to see this. It sounds like a beautiful project. Yeah,

Natasha Hawthorn 30:26
I'm super excited about it.

Rebecca Beltran: 30:27
Very cool. Well, I can't wait to see it too. I mean, and to age to watch him do acro.

Natasha Hawthorn 30:33
Yes, exactly. Yeah. It'd be cool. Yep. So it's going to be full of stories and what acro means to people what it has done for them how it has changed or affected their lives. And I get to see just all sorts of different people.

Rebecca Beltran: 30:50
Yeah. And if people want to get a hold of you, in particular, for questions, how would they reach out to you?

Natasha Hawthorn 30:57
You can find me on Facebook is just Natasha Hawthorne. Or on Instagram. My Instagram handle is polarized studio. And it's spelled P O L E r i z e studio. And it's kind of a play on words, because I had a poll studio in my house where we did some training or vodka. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. So that was the name of my poll studio polarize. So I'm polarized studio on Instagram.

Rebecca Beltran: 31:26
Awesome. You know, I gotta say, having a New Year's Eve parties at your house. In the living room. Fabulous, fabulous memories of

Natasha Hawthorn 31:36
all those fun times. Yeah, that was hella fun. Especially watching

Rebecca Beltran: 31:40
the guys climb up the bulls and swing down. Oh, my goodness.

Natasha Hawthorn 31:44
Yes. Those are some of my favorite parties. And did you know that you can combine Poland acro? What? Yeah, absolutely. I do have some videos on my Instagram on page, which is not super active. But I do have some videos on there of combining Poland acro? Well, I'm gonna go look them up now and doing it with three people. Wow. Yeah. Holy cow, that you know what this is? This is the thing like one of the things I like about the the name of this documentary project touching the skies. I'm sure it has a lot of different meanings. But to me, it's like sky's the limit for what you can do with acro? Yeah, sky is the limit for it. Yeah, there's just there's so many ways to incorporate it. And you can combine it with so many other things, including Paul, beautiful, go check it out on my Instagram page. And

Rebecca Beltran: 32:40
well, since we mentioned boundaries, at the very beginning, is there any particular tip that you might want to leave people with around boundaries and how to hold their boundaries and practice that just

Natasha Hawthorn 32:53
simply very clear, and non judgmental communication, especially if you're new to acro, and you're coming to a class or a jam, or you know, whatever, to practice acro with someone else. Number one, ask them what their level of experience is, so that you can know what to expect from them what kind of level of support in all the ways you can expect from them. And communicate that you know, you're new, if you happen to be new, or you know, if you have any injuries or anything like that, and just keep it very simple. It doesn't, you don't need to offer a ton of explanation. On me, you don't need to give like your entire life story. Unless the situation calls for it, and you want to share that, but just simply communicate. Hi, I'm new, I'd like to practice. You know, where can we get started, that's gonna feel safe for me. And if something doesn't feel safe, like, literally just say, I'm not feeling comfortable with this, can we try something else? Or can you help me work on this so that I can feel more comfortable with this? And that how that can happen at all levels of accurate practice. You don't have to be new to communicate that if there's, you know, some kind of an advanced skill you're working on as an advanced practitioner, still just literally the same communication. I don't feel comfortable with this, you know, how can we make this more comfortable for me, or I just need more time to practice. Let's do something else.

Rebecca Beltran: 34:31
And when all else fails, you can always remove yourself from the situation.

Natasha Hawthorn 34:35
Yep, absolutely. Exiting the situation is a 100% acceptable strategy.

Rebecca Beltran: 34:42
Fantastic. Well, I'm really happy that you were able to come and be on the show, Natasha. Thanks for inviting me, Rebecca. Yeah, I can't wait to see the new house in Hawaii.

Natasha Hawthorn 34:53
All right. Yes, you and I both.

Rebecca Beltran: 34:56
All right. Well, we'll see you again next time. Thank you.

Outro 35:10
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Thought of the Day 35:47
Instead of blaming and projecting what's not going well on to other people that you're working with. There has to be a sense of ownership and understanding that this is a collaborative creation. Nothing in a partnership can ever be all someone else's fault.